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Dialog 11, 12, 112

The successor to the Dialog 4 control was the Dialog 11.

With these machines the control is no longer located in the operator console, but is in the electrical cabinet together with the PC (Programmable Controller), which is now called SPS (Speicherprogrammierbare Steuerung). See pictures at bottom.

This allowed for a smaller operator console, which now only houses the operator panel and the color monitor.

The Dialog 11 is more powerful than the previous controls, has a different programming syntax and DNC is standard (?). On the down-side, the machines were no longer provided with board level schematics. This fact must be seen in conjunction with the extreme electronic spare part prices and the significantly high prices for Dialog 11 machines in general. This combination has so far kept the Dialog 11 machines out of the hands of the private user.

Anyone considering to buy a Dialog 11 machine should know that a new electronic board can be very very expensive. Buying a machine with a defect should be done with care.

Two basic types of Dialog 11 equipped machines must be differentiated. The Dialog 11 control could be bought for the "A" machines and for the "NC" machines from about 1988 (NC) or 89 (A). Since the "A" machines were spec'd down for cost reason, they were sold with the old Bosch amplifiers and the older style DC servos. The "NC" type machines have the new style Bosch amplifiers and newer style AC servos. The "A" machines were usually also delivered with very marginal memory, but could be upgraded to 4MB.

While the prices for used machines are high, it must be questioned if this premium against the Dialog 4 machines is justified. It certainly depends on the application.

D11 machines have free loadable Parameters. When buying a machine it should be checked if the machine parameters are included as a backup (possibly on punch tape).

There were a large number of SW versions. Upgrades were done by swapping EPROMs.


The D11 was succeeded by the D12, which was probably mostly just a processor upgrade to the D11.


After the D12 came the D112 for a brief period of time. This control was no longer developed by Grundig, but supposedly was provided by or co-developed with Mitsubishi.

 

 

Addendum in late 2009:

With the economic down-turn Deckel prices have dropped significantly and also Dialog 11 machines have become cheaper (in Europe). As this trend continues and all machines get older too, the condition of the individual machine will become more and more important to determine a reasonable price. Already very nice Dialog 11 machines have been seen below 5 figure values. A trend to be observed.

 

 

Card Slot Layout:

Dialog 11
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Steuerung komplett..................................6006 xx 006001 00
Bedienpult komplett.................................6006 xx 006000 00
Bedienpult komplett UVV.......................6006 xx 006000 02
NZP 02 Achsenz„hler..............................6400 xx 100000 00
NZP 02D Achsenz„hler.(Digi).................6400 xx 100037 00
NZP 03 Achsenz„hler..(Messtaster)........6400 xx 100040 00
NZP 03D Achsenz„hler.(Digi).................6400 30 100041 00
NRP 2.1 Rechnerkarte............................6400 xx 100001 00
NRP 2.1B Rechnerkarte.........................6400 xx 100008 00
NRP 03 Rechnerkarte (High Speed).......6400 xx 100015 00
NSI 02 Interface....................................6400 xx 100002 00
NSP 02 Speicherkarte 384K.................6400 xx 100003 00
NSP 02A Speicherkarte 1,4MB............6400 xx 100012 00
NPP 02 Prozessor.................................6400 xx 100004 00
NPP 04 Prozessor.................................6400 xx 100007 00
NPP 04A Prozessor...(High Speed)........6400 xx 100016 00
NGE 01 Grafik.......................................6400 xx 100005 00
NPC 01 Prozessor SPS.........................6400 xx 100020 00
NPE 01 Eingabekarte............................6400 xx 100021 00
NPA 01 Ausgabekarte...........................6400 xx 100022 00
NSV 02 Stromversorgung......................6400 xx 100023 00
NMT 01 Maschinen Tastatur m.Lampen u.Override.6400 xx 100030 00
NBP 02 Bedienpult Baugruppe ..................6400 xx 100031 00
NSC 01 Maschinen Tastatur (Schl�sselschalter).6400 xx 100035 00
NBP 03 ASCCI Programmier Tastatur.............6400 xx 100032 00
RGB Monitor...................................6400 xx 100033 00
High Speed Frontplatte........................6400 xx 100039 00

 

Dialog 12
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Steuerung komplett....................................6006 xx xxxxxx xx
Bedienpult komplett ..................................6006 xx xxxxxx xx
NZP 03 Achsenz„hler...............................6400 xx 100040 00
NRP 04 Rechnerkarte..............................6400 xx 100051 00
NSI 02.1 Interface...................................6400 xx 100002 00
NSP 02 Speicherkarte 384K...................6400 xx 100003 00
NSP 02A Speicherkarte 1,4MB...............6400 xx 100012 00
NPP 04A Prozessor................................6400 xx 100016 00
NGE 01 Grafik........................................6400 xx 100005 00
NPC 01 Prozessor SPS..........................6400 xx 100020 00
NPE 01 Eingabekarte..............................6400 xx 100021 00
NPA 01 Ausgabekarte............................6400 xx 100022 00
NSV 02 Stromversorgung.......................6400 xx 100023 00
NMT 01 Maschinen Tastatur m.Lampen u.Override.6400 xx 100030 00
NBP 02 Bedienpult Baugruppe ..................6400 xx 100031 00
NSC 01 Maschinen Tastatur (Schl�sselschalter).6400 xx 100035 00
NBP 03 ASCCI Programmier Tastatur.............6400 xx 100032 00
RGB Monitor........................................6400 xx 100033 00

 

Dialog 11

 

 

Dialog 12

 

Dialog 112. Note Deckel-MAHO skript.




 


 

 


Nice Dialog 11 machine of the "NC" kind:




The new style Bosch servo drive: